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Post by Enchant on Aug 19, 2006 7:43:28 GMT -8
Several of you have requested a discussion on Password Protected Boards. So that is the topic of this thread.
There are many reasons to want password protected boards. Most are used for staff rooms, others have used them for Harry Potter common rooms. There have even been some who use privacy boards as a type of awarded prize. Regardless of the use, they have become an important part of a admins resource.
There are good and bad issues that go along with a password protected board being on a forum. The first being the most obvious. It gives the members a since of tight nit community , such as a club or society. Bonds can grow from this and it is good for a competitive nature of the forum.
That being said, for those who have yet to gain access to them, it can be a bit off putting and can make a member feel left out and not very welcomed. It can possiably cause tension amoung the boards and can make the forum feel more clicky then community.
There are many more issues in regards to this and I will leave that amoung you all to discuss. What do you think about password protected boards being on a forum are they beneficial or destructive, and what personal experiences have you had as a member or admin or even both?
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Post by unistar on Aug 19, 2006 7:54:59 GMT -8
As an admin I think it is very important to have one board where only staff can go in and read it. I have several boards that are password protected some of them are very will hidden and no one has been able to find them. So it isn't an issue of my members not feeling welcome in them. But I can see how members could feel that way if you have them all there for them to see and not access. That is like saing you have hidden boards but everyone can see the board and just not get into it. You may as well say go away on it instead of hidden.
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Post by Ðravu on Aug 19, 2006 9:38:23 GMT -8
People can give out passwords to their friends and other people didn't get the password like they were supposed to which causes problems. Also, you have the ability so only certain groups can see certain boards, which would mean that that board wouldn't show up on the main page and cause crowding (which is a better alternative in my opinion). There are better ways around using password protected boards, so unless it's a situation where password protection would be better to use (maybe during a fun event or something like the answer to a riddle is the password and you find a prize in the board or something), then I think that it shouldn't really be used.
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Post by mrsyukisohma on Aug 19, 2006 10:43:48 GMT -8
This is why I've always encouraged there to be more groups. If not, the admins should try and make the boards invisable. I have my staff board invisable. Not hidden, but I made a category where other members can't see the boards for the staff. This way it's not password protected and members won't be wondering what goes on in the board.
The thing is, there always seems to be a bad or downside to a lot of decisions you make on the Internet whether it has to do with your board or not. Sometimes you have to ignore the down side at times.
I think it's important to really know your community. I know a message board that has password protected boards, but no one gives the passwords out. You have to ask the admin. It's possible for communities to be really good at it, but it doesn't mean members can't lie about it.
I don't see anything wrong with having a password protected board. Take a subject that others might find offensive. Gay marriage might be one for examle, but the admin doesn't want the members to argue or anything. Your intentions for having a password protected board is good. If you have a password protected board to just talk behind members backs, than that can be a problem. I have seen this occur before. It leads to no good.
There isn't anything wrong with having password protected boards. Again, I recommend making the boards hidden into a hidden category if you can. If you are going to have password protected boards, you really want to think out thoroughly how it'd work among your members. Again, it really depends on the kind of members you have and how they act toward one another.
Password protected boards are good for offensive topics, members that have been there for a long time, etc. Be careful the topics you choose. I've just always felt it to be more comfortable when they're kind of invisible to the members and they can sign up to it or something. I've seen this done on other message boards, but not proboards obviously.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 20, 2006 19:38:58 GMT -8
I agree that password protected boards have upsides and downsides. To me, the upside is that members have a place they can go and sort of "unwind" I guess you could say. They can talk about more of the controversial or personal stuff without worrying about what guests or the like might say.
On my board, there is one password protected area for that purpose. Plus, it gives guests the idea that they are missing something by not joining. Of course, we don't have a rule where you have to post so much or whatnot to get in: If you are a member and ask, you can get in. It helps especially since our board is so close knit.
I don't have anything against them, except when they keep others out. I think admin boards that are visible and blocked are not productive of community. On my board, my co-admin and I have a rules board, which we post and lock, but leave open for all to see. If we want to discuss the boards, we do it by PM or email or something so the members don't feel that they are excluded from something.
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Post by Ímþ®óvîšâ†ó® on Aug 21, 2006 20:07:53 GMT -8
Several of you have requested a discussion on Password Protected Boards. So that is the topic of this thread. There are many reasons to want password protected boards. Most are used for staff rooms, others have used them for Harry Potter common rooms. There have even been some who use privacy boards as a type of awarded prize. Regardless of the use, they have become an important part of a admins resource. There are good and bad issues that go along with a password protected board being on a forum. The first being the most obvious. It gives the members a since of tight nit community , such as a club or society. Bonds can grow from this and it is good for a competitive nature of the forum. That being said, for those who have yet to gain access to them, it can be a bit off putting and can make a member feel left out and not very welcomed. It can possiably cause tension amoung the boards and can make the forum feel more clicky then community. There are many more issues in regards to this and I will leave that amoung you all to discuss. What do you think about password protected boards being on a forum are they beneficial or destructive, and what personal experiences have you had as a member or admin or even both? POSITIVES | NEGATIVES | - Stops unauthorised members from getting into the password-protected board.
- Easier to stop hijackers (i.e. in Competitions/Contests and RP boards).
- If you're using it to allow individual members to post their galleries, images can't be hotlinked by those that cannot get access to it
- Provides a great mix of having boards whereby members and staff can post, compared to having boards whereby a select group of members and staff can post.
| - Staff could easily wipe off the password without the admin knowing if the admin chooses staff unwisely.
- It could open a door of complaints to the admin or other staff (i.e. "Why can't I get in this board? What's the deal!!!" etc).
- Generally, those who get access to the board, may tell unauthorised members the password, thereby causing a large wave of hijacking to go foward.
- If enough of these are created, the forum could start LOSING members if they do not have the right to post within any board at all if they register. Furthermore, noone would bother registering were it the case.
- If a password-protected board is created for the purposes of being offencive and obessively breaking the ToS, then that may put the forum in jeopardy.
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Above you see, is what I found out about password- protected boards (also known as the acronym: P.T.B). I use P.T.B feature to control my contests and competitions etc. I know you think that by looking at the table, you think that I'm hating the password-protected feature lol, I can assure you that you are sorely mistaken in that assumption There is one thing though, and I know this should be directed to the support board, but on the subject of P.T.Bs, would it be possible if the ToS staff can shut a forum down due to a particular (single) P.T.Bs that might have inappropriate content (i.e. offencive language/spam etc) in them. If so, then the last negative of my table stands (they shouldn't be put up for that purpose). I hope that the P.T.B feature (or a more advanced version) is still available in V5
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Post by Artemis on Aug 23, 2006 0:17:15 GMT -8
I'm on both sides of the issue.
On one side, protected boards are a good thing. It gives certain members privacy, and a place where they can talk together without being spied on or without the worry of another person reading their conversations.
On the other though, members quickly feel left out. It's like the mysterious staff board and the others here at PBS. We know they are there, but we can't see what's inside. Some people would get annoyed at that, maybe even angry that secrets were being kept from them, and most likely leave the forum.
However, if they are used right, problems can be avoided. On Harry Potter boards for example, they are used as common rooms. I have never seen a complaint about that in all my times browsing various forums. There probably have been some issues, but none that I have seen.
Altogether my conclusion is that if you want to have a password protected board, use it right. Nothing bragging like, "I bet you can't get the password!" and nothing to suggest that terribly important information is inside. That will make members curious, and then annoyed when they can't see what's inside.
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Post by unistar on Aug 23, 2006 3:50:17 GMT -8
Well my site as everyone proudly knows is Harry Potter and there are ways around the whole password protected issue. As any true Harry Potter fan will tell you their are potions you can buy or make or invisible cloaks you can use. As a matter of fact they are encouraged to get into other houses or boards that are password protected. It is a challenge to them. If you tell your members that up front then that is how they will see it, a challenge not as a go away you can't come in thing. And use passwords that relate to the topic of the site.
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Post by Carer on Aug 23, 2006 6:46:53 GMT -8
I have a 'private' password protected forum (office) which only I use for drafting certain messages / posts etc before posting for public reading. I also have links to other sites that I visit daily, perhaps on a 'post exchange' basis. So there is nothing in there that anyone else needs to see or won't get to see once I have completed a draft.
Depending on the kind of board you have, it may actually 'help' to have password protected areas where members can talk in 'confidence'. At some point on my support forum, there may be discussions between 'abuse' victims. This is obviously a very sensitive issue for many people, who won't want their discussions 'on view' to the general membership. Password protected areas will provide privacy just for those who need it.
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Post by Kmylove on Aug 24, 2006 2:45:03 GMT -8
I don't think that a password protected board would be the best choice, as it will certainly make members that don't have accesss to it to feel that they're not welcome. The issue of staff only boards has been brought into discussion. It's enough to create a category that is visible only to Admin, G-mods and mods, and make the boards in it with Only Staff posting access in order to keep it hidden from the eyes of the members. I have a staff room on both my boards and no regular member has any idea about them, as they don't show. As for forums where different clubs or clans would need privacy, I think the best way would be first creating a new member category, and then creating boards visible only to that category. It's as effective as a pasword protection, and it's not as risky!
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Post by D.D on Aug 24, 2006 15:20:13 GMT -8
Depending on the type of the board you have. If you're talking about a general board or a news board, I will say no because you should leave some boards for the visitors to have a taste of the forum they are about to join. If you have a board with good resources and materials, in that case i say yes because the best stuff is always for the members
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Post by Brenton on Aug 24, 2006 17:35:57 GMT -8
But you dont need to password protect a staff board do you? As far as i know, you can just make a board, and when creating, allow only certain member groups to view it, so that way only your staff can access it? So if you can do that, why password protect?
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Post by BFD on Aug 24, 2006 17:59:39 GMT -8
In my eyes, password protected boards are harmless, especially when used in the spirit of fun ("Common rooms", "Boys Only" and that type of thing). For most serious uses, such as a staff room or a staging area for work in progress, hiding categories based on member group is a much better solution. When I see a password protected board for those purposes, the only turnoff is that it looks sloppy and unprofessional.
One other place where password protected boards are very useful is if you have an issue or idea that you want to discuss among a mixed group of staff and regular members. I keep a pair of "Special Use" boards hidden in an Admin only category. Whenever I have a discipline problem, I move it into a main category, and set the password. I then distribute the password to the necessary staff and the members involved. We then use the board for a few days to hammer out the issues. Once done, I move the board back into "storage", clear out the threads and change the password for the next time it is needed.
In order to squelch the complaints, I have the board description set to "Password protected board to be used for private discussions between the board of directors and specific members. Please do not be offended that you do not have access, since the issues discussed here are likely to be result in severe discilinary measures, and possible the members involved being banned." So far, they have proven very useful and no one has asked even once for the password.
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Post by 04rebhop on Aug 25, 2006 4:32:08 GMT -8
I don't use passwords unless it is necessary.With my Durmstrang RPG i leave the common rooms open although only people in the house can post in the common room.I feel that i want the other members in different houses to be able to read the rp's even though they are not in houses.I also think it is hard if you have to keep giving out passwords if someone is sorted in the house.
I have a admin board but i hide the category so only admin can see it,so that no members feel left out if they don't know what is going on.Also so that the members do not feel they want to be an admin just to get into the admin board.
But i think there are good sides to password protect boards as it does keep members out of the boards and it might be better than having a category since you could put a password protected board as a sub-board so i does not take up as much space as a category.
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Post by Alexz on Aug 25, 2006 7:40:56 GMT -8
I agree that with passwords is a good thing, but it can be a pretty bad thing when you forget what it is which I have honestly done before. Having an admin area with a password is also an excellent idea so in case there are any sort of problems on the site you may discuss it with the others without members becoming concerned or anyone getting upset without knowing the entire story.
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